Curse

Esan · Jan 23, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 23, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by Esan

Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.

Because everybody who has recently gotten the Survivor title has done so via HFFF.

arsie · Jan 23, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

If you get Survivor by not dying, its a great achievement. If you try to get Survivor by trying not to die, at any cost, including leaving on a group, I do not respect that very much.

The guy was clearly being nasty for attempting to kill the Survivor-wannabes, which I do not condone.

As a Survivor-wannabe, you should either :

a) be nasty and keep quiet about your Survivor attempts to your PuGs, zapping to your Guildhall when things look bad, so that noone will deliberately try to sabotage your attempt.

b) be open about it with trusted friends, and keep yourself safe while others work hard on your behalf.

c) do one of those solo things like HFFF or boxing, and do not be a burden to anyone.

To all the calls to /report the griefer, well, I'll only agree if it was ok to /report a leaving Survivor-wannabe.

Squishy ftw · Jan 23, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

There's nothing anet can, and will do against idiots like this.

The guy didn't do anything wrong in the game, all he did was play it. He aggroed a mob and lured it to his party. This should not, and never will, be a bannable offense.

It's mainly the responsibility of the survivor to keep his ass alive. When you PuG, you know almost for a fact that you'll encounter morons like this. Solution? Avoid them, don't PuG. Why put your survivor's life partially in the hands of an unknown scrub ?

Play with heros/hench, friends, or guild/alliance members if you don't want crap like this to happen.

Ofcourse it sucks, but banning someone for this? Never.

Esan · Jan 23, 2008, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Because everybody who has recently gotten the Survivor title has done so via HFFF.

It doesn't matter. The availability of a cheap shortcut devalues all achievements. If this weren't the case, diploma mills wouldn't be universally reviled. You should be concerned about lowering standards even if you yourself always take the high road.

Sleeper Service · Jan 23, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

its part of the game.

sure that persons attitude sucked but then again he was kinda right, as a Survivor you should have survived, you chose to take a runner and ran the risk of facing mobs who can take on MUCH higher levels than you.
You died.
End story.

Fril Estelin · Jan 23, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

The guy didn't do anything wrong in the game, all he did was play it.

Well according to the OP, he did this on purpose. It's not IMHO an acceptable way of playing. This is mean. The responsibility may be shared in the sense that survivor players should not go this route, but it's mainly on the side of that jerk. The less we have in game, the better the gameplay will be.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 23, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Esan

It doesn't matter. The availability of a cheap shortcut devalues all achievements. If this weren't the case, diploma mills wouldn't be universally reviled. You should be concerned about lowering standards even if you yourself always take the high road.

Not everybody is ignorant.

Darkobra · Jan 23, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by Yichi

I fixed this for you.

There are people like that in World of Warcraft, too.

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Originally Posted by Esan

Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.

I got it the old way on an old assassin of mine. It really doesn't bother me. I got the title to prove I could do it to myself, not to others. How people decide to get the title now is their business.

Shai Lee · Jan 23, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

PUGs are always a risk. It's best to do things on your own with hero/hench or with trusted friends, for those things that are more important to you. If I'm not doing survivor on my own, I typically only progress in the game with one other person. I find it easier to manage, anyway.

Squishy ftw · Jan 23, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Well according to the OP, he did this on purpose. It's not IMHO an acceptable way of playing. This is mean. The responsibility may be shared in the sense that survivor players should not go this route, but it's mainly on the side of that jerk. The less we have in game, the better the gameplay will be.

He probably did it on purpose yes, and it's indeed a very mean thing to do. But there's simply nothing that anet can/will do about it.

He pulled a mob. You simply can't ban someone for that.
Sure, it caused the OP to lose his survivor title. Doesn't change anything tho. Anet can't prevent people from being a-holes.
You however can, by simply not grouping with people you don't know when doing something like survivor. Thus, not giving them a chance to ruin your gameplay.

EPO Bot · Jan 23, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Never tell ANYONE you try to get survivor. EVER. Not even guildies you know for months. Some trollers can wait for weeks to strike, making shure you are scarred for life and paranoid.

LeoX · Jan 23, 2008, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Yeah that happened to me a while ago, f'in nerd. It was minotaurs too, but i survived.

jmarx2005 · Jan 23, 2008, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Well, you are going to start another survivor character right?

And I find that Guildies> heroes > henchmen > PuG

I mostly ONLY trust my guildies for stuff like this because I know that there are people like this idiot out there...

Fril Estelin · Jan 23, 2008, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

He probably did it on purpose yes, and it's indeed a very mean thing to do. But there's simply nothing that anet can/will do about it.

He pulled a mob. You simply can't ban someone for that.
Sure, it caused the OP to lose his survivor title. Doesn't change anything tho. Anet can't prevent people from being a-holes.
You however can, by simply not grouping with people you don't know when doing something like survivor. Thus, not giving them a chance to ruin your gameplay.

Anet can theoretically do something about it, I'm not sure it's very practical for them indeed. That's probably why they limited the report categories to 5 very clear and easily processable ones (though, as we discuss in another thread, it costs them ).

But to be honest, these matters are more subtle than that. People's stupidity and meanness cannot be fought with bans, not even by their parents! Yet, it does not mean we should not do anything about it. Next time, this jerk may PUG with you, or AB, and be very annoying and mean (it won't probably harm you in the same way as the OP), in particular if he's with his stupid friends and they're trying to have fun at your expense.

I'm simply advocating for a pro-active action here, rather than waiting for more people's gameplay to be ruined. Yes learning the lesson of not PUGing for survivor is one thing to remember from this thread, but let's not forget where the core of the problem is: the jerk that was mean.

Sleeper Service · Jan 23, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Never tell ANYONE you try to get survivor. EVER. Not even guildies you know for months. Some trollers can wait for weeks to strike, making shure you are scarred for life and paranoid.

and this is the reason why people tend to dislike survivors.

because they will obviously not be packing a survivor build, they will be a useful and helpful addition to the group NOT freeloading, taking up a party slot and NOT quiting at the first sign of trouble.

back in the days when i puged i found THAT attitude negatively affected my game enjoyment as well.

never crossed my mind to EVER write to Anet and demand bans though.

Squishy ftw · Jan 23, 2008, 10:40 AM // 10:40

I think that implementing something against griefers is quite impossible. Because the game won't know the difference between an intentionally mean action, and simply some newbie that's not paying attention to what's going on and aggroes the wrong mob by accident.
And trusting players to report griefers will be even worse.

But if you ever come up with something to get rid of them, post it and I'll put a big /SIGN under it.

I however believe that all you can do is try to avoid them.

Edit: I'll stay on topic now

OP: That's just how some people are. Avoid them, It's all you can do.

EPO Bot · Jan 23, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

When i did my survivor, i only had to quit once. It was in Arborstone, and the wammo still had his starter armor. Also, half of the party had ragequitted already. Not all survivors quit at the sligtest spike.

jezz · Jan 23, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

i have several survivors..and done old fashioned way...i only take close friends/heros/hench..

best answer to your problem is dont team up with people you dont know..

people can be cruel..was probably some lame payback for survivor dropping out on a team he was in..

ty Anet for Heros..

Sleeper Service · Jan 23, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

not all players are jerks either.

just re-read the op, this thread is not about greifers but is simply a QQ about losing survivor for "X" reason.